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Use your logic!
Apr 21st
Subtitled: Stuff I can’t really say to people or they get pissed off.
First there’s those people who praise God or Jesus when they win something. So years ago God was sitting around playing what, Eeenie Meenie Minie Moe and decided he would give YOU this talent above the kid next door? Why? Was it random or did your parents pray extra hard that you’d be special? If it’s random, then why thank him? If it was because your parents prayed extra hard, then what about your other neighbor kid’s parents who are even more devout? They lost out why? Or what about the kid who had crappy parents and yet is just as good or better than you at what you’re special at? How do you explain an atheist ever winning anything? How do you explain someone of another religion – who you think is wrong, therefore less likely to be blessed by god – winning anything?
Logically God didn’t pick you to have an extra special talent and certainly didn’t arrange for you to win that Oscar or get to the Superbowl or pick just the right lottery numbers. It was either hard your own work or just plain chance.
And then there’s the people who – as they did with me – tell you your miscarried baby is in heaven because god had other plans for that soul. Really? Those are usually the same people that believe every pregnancy/baby is a miracle from god and abortion is murder. So again, god is just sitting around watching people have sex (creepy!) and decides that these few will get pregnant, and that bunch won’t. Rolling dice? Flipping coins? Eenie Meenie again? And then just about the time you get adjusted to having this baby – excited even – god changes his mind and takes it back. What an asshole! Why can’t he take the babies just from women who don’t want them? Wouldn’t that be more logical and right?
Believing god would give you a child and then take it away is just too mean to be logical. Loving a god who does that is illogical!
The whole prayer thing is illogical to me. If you pray, your cancer might go away. Or maybe it will take the prayers of all your family and say, 10 friends. No wait, this time we need an entire congregation to pray for 3 weeks straight and then your cancer will go away. Or more likely the doctors and nurses and medications had enough time to get it under control. Or not, and you die and then all those prayers were for nothing. But wait, prayer helped the other guy get better so it works! Right.
I know. I’m a meaniepoopyhead and I’m attacking again. Really? Try and make me understand. If you’re feeling attacked, defend your thinking, please! Do you just have this goopy gloop in your brain that repeats “God gives us everything, God is great, don’t question, don’t ask?”
I just want to leave you with this thought – though it’s not really related to this discussion – if Eve never ate that apple, would we be here today? Shouldn’t we be worshipping Eve?
Conversation w/Kira
Apr 19th
Babysitting for Kira today and I had to run to Phoenix to the VA Medical Center for some bloodwork. So Kira’s in the backseat babbling about whatever when this conversation started:
Kira: Grammi, I think my Mommy died.
Me: No Kira, your Mommy isn’t dead. She just lives far away.
Kira: I think she’s dead and in heaven looking at me.
Me: No Kira, she’s not dead and she’s certainly NOT in heaven looking at anyone. Who told you about heaven?
Kira: Krislyn. Krislyn said god took my mommy to heaven.
Me: Well, some people believe when you die you go to heaven where god lives. Grammi doesn’t believe in god or heaven or hell or any of that. I think it’s all made up to make people behave. Either way, your Mommy is alive and living in Kentucky, not heaven.
Kira: So god is made up? Is Santa made up too?
(Crap crap crap now how do I handle this one?)
Me: How old is Krislyn? (she’s 5) Does she know everything? (yes!) Not hardly. She doesn’t know that much more than you. You should get your information from grown-ups. Kids tell you stuff they don’t understand.
Kira: OK Grammi. But what about Santa?
Me: Hmmph. Some people think Santa is made up too, but if you stop believing in Santa he stops bringing you presents so I keep believing in him. Do you want presents from Santa? Then you need to believe in him.
Kira: But not god?
Me: Has god ever brought you presents? Or anything else? I don’t believe in him, your Daddy doesn’t believe in him, and Aunt Ginnie doesn’t either. We’re happy behaving without scary stories to make us act a certain way.
Kira: Can we stop and get some chicken nuggets?
She was great at the lab, not wanting to watch them draw blood but otherwise cool. We left there and headed for McDonalds by Arizona Mills so she could blow off excess energy and then to the Sealife thing at the mall. Unfortunately we arrived at the same time as a rather loud and boisterous school group. They were sooooo loud and rude and uncontrolled that she wanted to leave so we wandered the mall for a bit before heading back to finish our tour. She loved it!

Higher Standards?
Apr 17th
Today I want to talk about THIS.
Let me say, my knowledge of the Catholic Church is what I’ve seen on TV and movies, occasional visits with extended family in my youth and links I visit since I’ve been on the interwebz, so correct me if I’m wrong… or actually only if I’m REALLY wrong. Let’s not nitpick, okay?
Let’s say you’re a young man and you get your “calling” and decide you want to be a priest. You’re involved with your Church (cuz I’ll bet not too many Catholic priests come from other denominations, right?) and you’re convinced God wants you to do this. Or your Mom if you’re heavily Irish or Italian. Whatever, decision is made. So you go to what, seminary? Priest school? You don’t just get OJT, you get schooling in the rules and expectations. Like a doctor, you get years of training before you’re let loose on your people. I would imagine during those years you discuss your vows more than once. Vows of obedience and celibacy are the major ones. Obedience to your church and teachings and celibacy is self-explanatory – although in the Catholic faith isn’t even masturbation frowned upon?
Then you’re all vow up – knowing the rules and the consequences – and go out and priestify.
Now, if *I* know this, chances are every friggin’ Catholic knows this and expects those men to be held to a higher standard. The highest, in fact. Catholics should be able to trust these men implicitly with no reservations. And usually they do. Tell them their innermost secrets, confess their darkest faults, accept counseling, judgement and punishment from them, welcome them into their families and homes without care, I’m guessing because they’ve been (supposedly) vetted and trained in all the holy rules and stuff. There’s more power over a Catholic family by their priest than any other person in their lives. If you’re Catholic or have ever been one, is there any other person in your life (outside of your parent or spouse) who has more power over you than your priest?
Am I right?
Now, if that man, who made the choice to get this training, who at some point believed everything his Church teaches him (including homosexuality) is wrong, who pretty much rules over his little flock – uses that power to coerce a child or young adult to perform sexual acts – shouldn’t that be considered even more heinous than if the average neighbor or teacher or uncle does it?
You can’t have it both ways, Catholics. You can’t believe priests are little hands of God in your neighborhood and turn around and say they’re just men. So they should be held to a higher standard and when they screw up, they should be punished at a higher standard too.
Their crimes should not be covered up or excused or the responsibility shifted to the victim. Maybe it’s different if Bob or Mary Youngster meets Joe DaFather outside of the Church atmosphere and find out he’s a priest before/during/after their sexy time. But if the Catholic Church says homosexuality, fornication and adultery are wrong, then those who commit it – especially priests – should be dealt with accordingly. And those are the adult “sins”. If a priest actually molests or rapes a child there should be NO FORGIVENESS. Higher standards means zero tolerance. There’s no second chances, no supposed counseling. No excuses.
And that’s all we’ve gotten from the Catholic Church since this started in the press. Excuses. Lies. Cover-ups. They don’t even admit they should be held to a higher standard, so why do Catholics continue to give them that power? It matters little whether some of these reports are from young adults who went along, or if all of them were children being victimized – it’s all WRONG because it involves someone who, either way, abused their power.
That’s why the Catholic Church has been getting such crap from the rest of us. Because of centuries of being beaten over the head about how special and holy and perfect and hand-picked by God they are, and then when they’re found to be human with horrible failings after all… we’re just supposed to be forgiving and forget. Sorry guys, you should have hung those pedophiles out in public instead of hiding them under your robes.
I wanted to do a paragraph by paragraph rebuttal of that ad – yes, that was a paid ad in the Boston Globe – but I think I’ve covered most of it.
Truthseekers Podcast and ME!
Apr 12th
My friend Dani finally tied me down and had me on her podcast. Hers is one of the few I still listen to so I’m like, absolutely! I thought we’d disagree more, but it seems like we feel the same on just about every issue. The Truthseekers podcast is mostly about politics in general and Arizona’s politics in particular.
Apparently I’m in two parts so part I is up and next week the rest. And we recorded in my living room so you can hear traffic in the background.
So go listen.
TS98: It’s Hard Out There For A Thinker

Nonfiction. Right.
Mar 30th
Not sure I can type this with my eyes rolling the way they are…
New York Times Number One for 18 weeks in a row in paperback NONFICTION:
HEAVEN IS FOR REAL, by Todd Burpo with Lynn Vincent. (Thomas Nelson, $16.99.) A boy’s encounter with Jesus and the angels.
Seriously? Check this out.
Written by an evangelical minister father after his not-quite-4-year-old started telling the story of what he “saw” after he died for a few minutes.
This is the part that cracks me up:
When the Burpos questioned him, he asked his mother, “You had a baby die in your tummy, didn’t you?” While his wife had suffered a miscarriage years before, Mr. Burpo said, they had not told Colton about it. “There’s just no way he could have known,” Mr. Burpo said.
And the Burpos said that Colton painstakingly described images that he said he saw in heaven — like the bloody wounds on Jesus’ palms — that he had not been shown before.
The kid is four and not deaf, dumb or blind, right? Then it’s perfectly plausible he’d seen and understood bloody Jesus pictures especially since his father is an evangelical minister. Just because they’d never sat him down specifically to teach him their doctrine, that doesn’t mean a reasonably intelligent child wouldn’t pick up on it. The same thing about the miscarriage. My four-year-old granddaughter makes comments all the time about stuff people have discussed over her head. There’s a reason for the idiom “little pitchers have big ears.”
My actual question is how can the New York Times categorize a book as nonfiction when written by a third party based on the story from a small child and recalling heavenly people?
Seriously? And 18 weeks at number 1? What is wrong with people? Oh no, its not about the money.
Right.

A week. No, “A” Week!
Mar 22nd
(Didja ever notice the more you type week the more wrong it looks?)
This week is “A” Week. Raising
awareness of how many are ‘Good without God’. I’ve seen comments from Atheists disparaging this effort, calling it slactivism. I don’t agree. Just like any other quiet minority, people need to know they’re not the only ones so advertising your non-belief makes the group stronger. And a strong base will make those changes we want to make even easier. People are less likely to stand up for themselves if they think they’re alone. So I’m using this as my avatar on Facebook this week.
Speaking of Facebook, I’ve been posting more and more atheism links there, probably making my christian and other religious friends feel like I’m attacking them. Kind of like WE feel every time we’re expected to say “under god” in the pledge, every time we’re expected to bow our heads in prayer when we’re not in church, every time some politician/sports star/actor tells us god is providing them with bonuses like they’re better than everyone else.
One of my favorite atheism sites is Friendly Atheist. It’s pretty passive and low-key, just pointing out interesting stuff. Not like r/atheism where they’re mean and spiteful and seem to be in attack mode all the time, except when they organized a charity fund raiser last December beating out the r/christians and r/islam members by a long shot. The Freedom From Religion Foundation (FFRF) often calls atheists to action, either writing your politician or signing petitions. I also love Skepchick, of which atheism is just a small part, and my friend George Hrab’s podcast where he calls out the Religious Moron of the Week.
It seems atheism is on the rise, or at least people are feeling stronger about admitting it. There is a way to do it without attacking those who decide to stay with the invisible sky monster of their choice.
Just so you know:
- Atheists don’t eat babies. If they did, there wouldn’t be any babies around.
- Atheists aren’t trying to change your mind, they just want you to use it.
- Atheists don’t want to stop you from your worship of choice, we just want you to keep it to yourself. Keep it out of our public schools, our government and our military.
- Atheists are decent, caring, moral, generous, loving human beings, because it’s RIGHT to be so, not because we expect some reward in the next life. THIS is the only life you have.
I honestly don’t understand why people believe in a deity. If you read the bible, you’ll see so many things wrong with it! Try this site. And if you don’t believe in the bible, why do you believe in god? You almost can’t have god without the bible and the bible is bullshit written by power hungry leadership x-amount of years ago to keep the sheeple in line.
Think. Use your brain. Question. Don’t just go along because that’s what mommy and daddy expect, what you’ve always done. Really research WHY you are willing to put your life in the hands of something that can’t be bothered to prove itself.
Let me end with this:

OMD! I forgot the latest Mr. Deity! Enjoy:
If you want to you can comment why you’re an atheist or why you believe in some sky daddy. Let me know. I’m up for conversation as long as it doesn’t swing too far towards conversion.
Treated Equal?
Mar 7th
I don’t care if you’re super Christian or Atheist like me, this situation is completely wrong in so many ways.
Ft. Bragg. Not only did they provide space and access to the Billy Graham Evangelical Association, they co-sponsored, advertised, and pretty much ran Rock the Fort. Spent over 100k and had soldiers working on the event both building and protecting. Every poster and ad had the Army printed on it. Paid over 50k in expenses for the event.
When the Freedom From Religion Foundation objected to the Army (government) being so involved in a Christian event:
In a response to the original letter FFRF sent objecting to Army involvement in “Rock the Fort,” Commanding General Helmick wrote that he is “willing to provide similar support to comparable events sponsored by similar non-Federal entities that address the needs of the Soldiers on this Installation.”
Swell, seems fair… right? Nope.
So began the organizing of Rock Beyond Belief, a secular event with fun and entertainment for everyone else and right up until last week, they were led to believe that General Helmick would be true to his word. Months of planning and hard work, going through all the hassles, jumping through the right hoops, all on the assumption the Army would step up and be fair and equal. Even the Army base’s legal department recommended the plan.
When BAM! out of the blue the decision comes down. They can have the event but they can’t use the same space, they can’t use the Army or base name and they aren’t getting a dime.
Wow, that’s so similar isn’t it?
Without the Army’s help the event organizers had to cancel. And now they’re asking for everyone’s support. If you have free time you should go back and read all the posts about this. I’ve barely skimmed it here. Maybe they figure if enough people are vocal (or click) in support the Commander will change his decision. Who knows, public pressure has been working a lot more lately.
Isn’t our Army supposed to support the Constitution? You know, separation of church and state, freedom from religion and all that? The Army isn’t supposed to support ONE denomination (or the lack thereof) over another. Aren’t Army Chaplains non-denominational? The first concert should never have went on in the first place and certainly not with that much Army support. But because it did, they should provide equal support to any other denomination (or lack thereof) that chooses to put on a similar event.
This is bullshit. If you’re able, you should support the Rock Beyond Belief event just out of sheer fairness. No matter what you do or don’t believe deity-wise, you have to believe this isn’t right.
Ms. Interpretation
Dec 2nd
This is yet another reason I thank Mr. D that I’m an atheist. Go read this crap.
In the face of scientific proof, rather than admit religious history and the ever-lauded Bible is bullshit, they reinterpret it to make it – if you stretch your disbelief far enough – completely plausible. And then fight amongst themselves about it.
Progressive Creationism. Bah Humbug.
There are so many so-called Christian religions out there interpreting the “word of God” however they see fit. Here you can access over 25 versions of the Bible in English and over 100 altogether. Each church within each religion interprets their “word” differently. If you don’t like what your priest/minister/council stands for, just try a different church. There are as many churches as there are trees in the average town.
I don’t get it. The words “It’s in God’s hands” make me cringe. It means you’ve completely given up your will to something else. It makes as much sense to me as saying “It’s in that willow tree’s hands… er, branches.” Christians are so busy chasing the perfect scapegoat they don’t pay attention to what’s going on in the real world.
In a world where young people are taking their own lives rather than face anti-gay sentiment – often violent sentiment at that – there are supposed Christian churches trumpeting hate. At the same time, just about every person I surround myself with (AND the President) supports the repeal of Don’t Ask Don’t Tell. Even my previously homophobic sons have come around to “as long as they leave me alone they should be able to do what they want.” They should have all the rights and privileges of every other American.
I like facts; I dislike interpretations.
The fact is the earth is millions of years old. Humans are 10s of thousands of years old. Just cuz they didn’t write the magic book until recent history that doesn’t mean they weren’t around. And there have always been gays. It’s just the luck of the draw. Just because close minded society people have made them hide it that doesn’t mean they weren’t out there doing their thing.
Actually this is what set off this post.
This mornings readings included the above linked local hate-church and this graphic in an atheist blog. And Christians wonder why they are under attack? Maybe because they just keep getting stupider and meaner and we’re just sick of it.
For the record, I’m pretty sure Native Americans and Aborigines have always been spiritual, just not the spirit Christians think should be the right one. They tend to worship the earth – which to me actually makes more sense.
Stop propagating hate.
The Skeptical Deck
Jul 19th
I’ve called myself a skeptic, but I haven’t actually acted on it until my recent visit to TAM8. There are many different ideas of what a skeptic truly is and many panels focused on how to be a skeptic while still being open minded/tolerant of other people’s choices. As in how can you call yourself a skeptic and still believe in __________?
I see skepticism as a deck of cards and you deal yourself the cards you choose through experience and/or study.
The Ace is (of course) the biggest, Atheism. Most skeptics have this card in their deck and cannot understand how or why everyone doesn’t. I definitely have this card in my hand. Though I often disparage those who don’t, I’m trying very hard to be tolerant of people who choose otherwise.
Let’s say the king is vaccinations. I’ve chosen to add that card to my skepticism hand, but I can somewhat understand how new parents can be confused and easily led into the misguided belief that vaccinations can damage their child.
We all laughed at the moon landing conspiracy guy, but he – along with the 9-11 conspiracy people – are completely convinced they’re on to something. The fact that he spent the money to be at TAM8 just to ask that question tells me how strongly he felt, and maybe someone smarter than me should have sat down and discussed the proven facts to him instead of us all just smirking. It took a lot of courage for him to get up in that crowd and express his opinion. Let’s make government conspiracies the queen.
Then there’s intelligent life out there in the universe. I don’t have that particular skeptical card in my deck. I believe there is, and maybe they’ve landed here in the past or could in the near future. Regardless of the in-depth panel I was instructed to attend. I guess that makes me the joker.
There are so many things to be skeptical about. We all have to pick and choose the cards we believe, or rather disbelieve.
10 – I don’t believe in ghosts
9 – I don’t believe in astrology.
8 – I don’t believe in telepathy.
7 – I don’t believe in psychic/faith healing – though it would be nice to get rid of this asthma thing.
6 – I don’t believe in homeopathy.
7 – I don’t believe in whatever the special power of rocks and minerals is called.
I’m still on the fence about genetically altered food. It’s not that I don’t think the science is good, I just don’t necessarily trust corporate greed and changes that might not be completely tested. I already think all those chemicals we’ve surrounded ourselves with can’t be good, and may be why there are so many cases of asthma, sensitivities and allergies. Sure, each chemical might be testing as safe but is there anyone testing average consumers vs. combinations?
Alt-medicine is still iffy for me too. Acupuncture has been around for centuries. It must work for something, right? I don’t know enough about it to completely poo-poo it, but I’d never accept it replacing real medicine.
I’m naturally gullible. And yet, still a cynic. So I don’t have a strong opinion until I’m completely convinced, but knowing my gullibility keeps my mind open. Wishy-washy? Absolutely. My method is to surround myself with intelligent people and lean on their (dis)beliefs.
Science works, bitches! But then again…










